Supplement to Article #3 in Groom Lake Desert Rat #33

Bob Lazar's Radio Show

Report on Show #3, 12/22/95

Guest: John Lear

This is a report on the third installment of Lazar and Huff's UFO Line, a privately purchased radio show on KLAV (Las Vegas) AM 1230, 12/22/95, 11pm to midnight.

By Glenn Campbell

I think UFO Line is one of the most interesting UFO radio talk shows ever to hit the airwaves. It is not for the guests or content that I adore it so. Both have been nothing new and--at least in tonight's case--have been no different than the crapola put out every week by Art Bell. What makes this show stand out is the refreshing attitude of the boys who host it, Gene Huff and Bob Lazar, who just don't give a damn.

Tonight's guest was a surprise, and although he has always been one of the principal characters in the Lazar story, he was not on my list of potential guests in my last report (12/15). He is John Lear, the ufological wolfman who, in the words of one reviewer, "never met a UFO story he did not like and wholeheartedly endorse." Lear is the butt of many jokes, including those of Bob and Gene, so to have him on the show was a stroke of inspiration. Had Lear been on Art Bell it would have been boring to those who have heard him before, but with our boys interviewing him it was a luscious and thoroughly riveting hour.

Because Bob and Gene don't give a damn, they speak their mind, and when they think Lear is full of crapola, they say so. If they do not say it directly, then it is in their eyes and in their tone, which reeks of sarcasm. What gives this show life is its sarcastic and skeptical edge, coupled with solid technical knowledge and the implied possibility that some claims might even be true. Although Bob has his own UFO story--which he does not discuss unless asked--he clearly believes that most of the UFO lore is ridiculous. People like this don't normally host UFO talk shows, which are usually dominated by true believers, so when one does it is an event to be cherished.

As is the usual case, The Bob has apparently been dragged onto the show by Gene, and he says at the beginning, "This is the last place I want to be tonight." Of course, Bob never wants to be anywhere except playing with his high-tech toys and has to be dragged kicking and screaming into almost any social interaction-- but that's why he has Gene. It is a peculiar marriage: the loudmouth Huff and passive-aggressive Lazar, two men who seem to have nothing whatsoever in common but who together form a balanced, functional whole at least for the duration of the show. Once Bob is on-line, he is totally engaged, and what shines through is his absolute intellectual integrity. That's right: absolute intellectual integrity. When it comes to technical matters, Lazar accepts no compromises, and his good sense about wild claims is what makes the show work.

(Note, however, that I did not say "absolute personal integrity," which could use some work, chiefly as a result of this passive- aggressive complex--i.e. a frequent emotional absence. I'm also not passing judgment on his "S-4" flying saucer claims, although when he discusses them it is with the absolute internal consistency I expect. If Bob built some physical contraption-- even a spaceship to the stars--and told me it would work, and if the object was real enough for me to step into, then I would probably trust my life to it.)

The Fantastic Claims Of John Lear

For Lear's appearance, Bob was prepared with a list of fantastic claims Lear had made in the past and wanted to know Lear's current position on them. Lazar challenged only a few items directly and wisely let the rest of Lear's claims stand on their own. Here is Lazar's list and Lear's current position on each item.

"Don't call Acid Rescue," said Huff before giving out the call-in number. "We're here with John Lear."

Other Claims

Other claims Lear made on the show include the following....

Implied or directly spoken in the interview was Lear's support for the claims of Jim Dilletoso, Paul Bennewitz, Richard Hoagland, John Grace and Bill Hamilton, and his opposition to Stanton Friedman (who dismisses Lazar) and Timothy Good (who Lear says reported erroneous facts in one of his books).

Lear's Area 51 Report

Lear also provided an "Area 51 Report," which he read like a daily weather report as follows...

Huff: "Now, who can argue with that?"

Lazar: "I got to jump on the computer thing... 'They can access your hard drive in a PC whether or not your computer is on.'"

Lear: "Yeah. Hard to believe, huh?"

Lazar: "About as hard as you can get. Exactly how would they manage a feat like that?... Aside from them coming over and turning it on."

Lear: "All I'm telling you is what I heard."

Lazar: "From where did you hear that?"

Huff: "Bill Cooper?" [Laughter.]

Lear: "Good old Bill, he takes a lot of flak, but we named the disease that Bill Cooper got that many of us got, that was called the UFO disease. The UFO disease is when you start out in this business and you hear and see some stuff that really happens, really real, but you start adding onto it, and like Bill, he just got too far out."


Lazar said to Huff and Lear: "I am sitting here with two impostors. You guys are never this nice off the radio."

There wasn't much talk about Lazar's claims, but Lazar did mention in passing that a former Apollo astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, had visited Lazar to talk about Lazar's UFO information. Mitchell said nothing about a NASA cover-up.

There was only time in the hour for about 3 or 4 callers, and there was no advertising--even for the products Huff and Lazar sell. At the conclusion of the program, Huff invited Lear to come back to the show at a later date, and told the audience, "We'll see you next time," but Lazar's last words were, "We will?"

Although it is unclear whether there will be a next time or how long the show will run, I hope the boys can keep it up. What they need now is to broaden their scope beyond Las Vegas by including call-in guests from outside their usual play list. Lazar probably has enough clout in the UFO community to draw in a dozen well- known names. It doesn't matter if the guests are loons or are skeptical of Lazar's own claims; such guests, in fact, would probably be the most entertaining. However, I think that are also some respectable scientists outside the UFO field who think enough of Lazar to join the show.

The station probably cannot be heard outside Las Vegas--but I think that's good. This is a connoisseur's show. You have to know the characters to fully appreciate it. No doubt, tapes of the show will be circulating for years in the UFO underground, so there isn't any need for worldwide broadcast. Any radio environment that was more structured or commercial would steal the show's charm. Here, the boys are paying for their hour and can do anything they want with it. It is a perfect opportunity for natural conversation and unexpected creativity. If they stay on the air, I think it will make fascinating series.

[George Knapp tells me he thinks Bob and Gene bought the show for a four-week trial run, mostly for their own amusement. The first show featured Knapp as guest (12/8), making this the third, while next week (12/30) could be the last show unless the boys renew it. This is my second report, since I have not yet heard the first show.]

-- GC, posted to alt.conspiracy.area51, 12/27/95

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