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Huff on Bill Cooper & Lazar's Pandering Conviction (1990)

This vintage document is apparently from the Paranet archives
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From: paranet!f0.n9.z9.FIDONET.ORG!Michael.Corbin
Subject: Gene Huff replies to charges from Cooper
Date: 7 Jun 90 23:46:00 GMT

DATE OF UPLOAD:  June 7, 1990
ORIGIN OF UPLOAD:  Gene Huff
CONTRIBUTED BY:  Gene Huff

June 7, 1990

Recently  ParaNet received a call from Gene Huff, Las Vegas  real
estate  appraiser and close friend of Robert Lazar, stating  that
he  wished  to place a clarification on ParaNet  for  the  record
regarding  Lazar's  recent  felony  indictment  on  a  count   of
Pandering  in  Las Vegas, Nevada by the  Clark  County  Sheriff's
Department.   Lazar,  in a public statement made  on  KLAS-TV  in
April,  admittedly told on camera that he had been involved in  a
brothel in the Las Vegas area by assisting in the installation of
computer  and security equipment.  Shortly after that,  following
an  investigation  by authorities, charges were  brought  against
Lazar.  He could get up to five years if convicted.

The  big question now is:  Does this damage  Lazar's  credibility
along with KLAS-TV reporter George Knapp, who featured Lazar on a
news special in November 1989?

According to Huff and the statement that follows, the answer is a
big no.

What has further clouded the issue has been Bill Cooper's attacks
on  Lazar and Knapp for their participation in what Cooper  calls
"government disinformation activity."  Cooper, a self-styled  UFO
"guru" who claims to have seen super-secret UFO documents  aboard
a  Navy ship while enlisted in the early 1970s, has made  various
statements  about  Lazar,  Lear, Knapp and a host  of  other  UFO
researchers  being government agents intent on  disinforming  the
public.

The  following is a letter received via ParaFAX on June  4,  1990
from Gene Huff.

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Mike,

     I am a Las Vegas real estate appraiser and I have known  Bob
Lazar since late 1985, John Lear since mid-1988, and George Knapp
since early 1989.  I thought some of the members of your  service
[ParaNet]  might  need some actual FACTS regarding  some  of  the
accusations  and  allegations  made by Milton  W.  Cooper.   I've
written  the following pages which you may use, if you choose  to
do so.

              MILTON W. COOPER IS A LIAR.  Period.

     So  Cooper  learned poker from granny and love  from  Annie,
huh?  Too bad he didn't learn anything from George Washington and
the  cherry tree briefing.  The actual story of the  "Bob  Lazar-
prostitution connection" is as follows:
     Bob  Lazar  and his late first wife, Carol,  owned  a  legal
brothel  in northern Nevada during the early 1980's, so  Bob  was
familiar  with  the brothel business.  Recently, he  ran  into  a
hooker  who was running a small brothel here in Las  Vegas.   Bob
gave  her a bunch of ideas on how she could efficiently  run  her
business.   She asked him to help her and said she would pay  him
for  his consultation.  I guess this kind of parallels  attorneys
receiving  their fees from clients with  questionable  vocations,
but I won't argue that point here.  He helped her by installing a
computer,    doing   some   computer   programming,   accounting,
installing  security cameras and monitors, etc.  When all of  the
systems were running smoothly, Bob was going to leave as he  felt
he  had already received money commensurate with what he felt  he
had  contributed.  She offered him money just to stay around  and
do nothing, which seemed strange, but Bob was going to part  ways
anyway,  and the worst thing that could have happened,  happened.
this  hooker  had fallen madly in love with Bob.   In  a  serious
talk, she made her feelings known to him.  She asked how sexually
attractive  she  was to him on a scale from 1 to  10.   Bob  "Mr.
Compassion" Lazar told her that, to him, she was a 1.  She  cried
for a day and a half.
     This  news  was impossible to take for a woman who  had  for
years  had men calling her on a daily basis offering to  pay  her
money  to have sex with her.  As it ends up, she is a  Las  Vegas
Metro  Vice, FBI, and DEA informant.  Now she has implicated  him
as  being  much more involved than he actually was,  for  obvious
motives.  He has not yet been charged, but with her  connections,
it appears certain that he will be.  this was all exposed by  Bob
Lazar  ON  TELEVISION  here  in  Las  Vegas.   This  required  no
investigation by Cooper or the knuckleheads from vice.  There  is
much  more to this story which is better saved until Bob  Lazar's
freedom is certain.
     The story of Bob Lazar running a drug lab is totally  false.
He is currently doing some research at a small, privately  funded
lab here in Las Vegas.  The lab was recently randomly visited  by
one  active duty Las Vegas cop, and another ex-Las Vegas cop  who
both  witnessed  that  nothing illegal or as  ludicrous  as  drug
manufacturing  was  going on there.  Naturally,  Sherlock  Cooper
didn't know this.
     These   are  just  two  more  classic  examples  of   Cooper
misinterpreting an elementary body of information and jumbling it
to  fit his distorted view of the world around him.  This  leaves
only  Cooper  to  interpret what is "truth" while  draped  in  an
American  flag.   Cooper  labels  his  opponents  as  part  of  a
government  band  of conspirators, which is  anyone  who  doesn't
believe   him,  disagrees  with  him,  or  actually   knows   and
understands the true source of his information, which in turn, is
anyone  who  has  ever heard him speak or has read  what  he  has
written.
     Cooper  speaks  as though Bob Lazar and John  Lear  are  one
item.  These are two separate men with very different ideas.  Bob
Lazar's  story  is  not phony, and he is not part of  a  band  of
government  agents.   I  knew him before he met  John  Lear,  and
before  he  worked at S 4.  I was with him the first  and  second
times he met Lear and they had no prior contact before that.   As
far as one of them working for the other, what a joke.
     I  was  present at both of Bob Lazar's  polygraph  sessions.
These  were prior to George Knapp's November 1989  special.   the
first  night  included  two polygraphs with  the  same  identical
questions  being asked both times.  He passed one and failed  on.
This is why the results were considered inconclusive by the first
polygrapher   and   subsequent  tests  were  suggested   BY   THE
POLYGRAPHER.  The second test was done at a completely  different
company,  about a month later.  Similar, but different  questions
were asked and Bob Lazar passed.  The polygraphs from the  second
night  were then reviewed by another polygrapher who also  agreed
that  he had passed.  The polygraphs from the second  night  were
then sent to a third polygrapher in San Francisco, who was of the
opinion that the Federal government wouldn't lie about  something
like this, and he said he thought the results were  inconclusive.
So  to be fair, George Knapp said the results were  inconclusive.
Actually, four polygraphers reviewed the two night's tests.   One
polygrapher  stated  the first night's tests  were  inconclusive.
Two  polygraphers  stated that he had passed the  second  night's
tests, and one polygrapher thought the second night's tests  were
inconclusive.   This  doesn't sound like as big of a  failure  as
Cooper makes it, does it?
     The  problem with Cooper's polygraph challenge is  two-fold.
First,  one  of those challenged want to  associate  publicly  or
privately  with Cooper.  Second, when someone  actually  believes
their  lies,  they register as truth on the  polygraph.   So  for
obvious  reasons,  there  is  nothing  to  be  gained  by   those
challenged.   Although you must admit, Cooper and a polygraph  is
an amusing thought.
     Bob  Lazar does NOT develop dosimeter badges at  Los  Alamos
and  Sandia  labs.  He manufactures and repairs  alpha  radiation
probes.   He even owns a patent on one particular kind.  Even  an
amateur sleuth like Cooper could have access to that information.
     Cooper is on the record on the Billy Goodman show as stating
that  he  checked  Bob Lazar out, and that  what  Bob  Lazar  was
stating  was  true.   (Not  that  Bob  Lazar  cared  what  Cooper
thought.)  I guess Cooper has a lot of trouble with these  sudden
changes of mind.
     Cooper  overstated his exposure to Bob Lazar via John  Lear.
Bob met Cooper twice at Lear's house.  Kris, Bob's sister-in-law,
was  with  him one time, and they both came home of  the  opinion
that  Cooper  was  crazy.  The second time,  I  was  invited  but
declined  since it appeared obvious to me that Cooper  had  taken
the  Kennedy  assassination  information from  the  film  "Dallas
Revisited,"  narrated  by  Lars Hansen, and I  did  not  want  to
associate  with  Cooper in public, or privately.  Bob went  as  a
favor  to  John  Lear  and  although  can't  remember  if  anyone
accompanied him, his opinion of Cooper didn't change.
     Cooper  acts  as  though  Lear  and  Lazar  were   "leaking"
information  to him.  Remember, only recently has  Cooper  become
the "World's Leading Authority on UFOs."  Back then he was just a
sailor  who said he saw a craft when he was in the Navy,  no  one
worthy of "leaking" anything to.  And in reality that's all  that
Cooper WASN'T and ISN'T important enough to perform for, even  in
a  joking manner.  He shouldn't flatter himself in thinking  that
the  government would launch an attack on him.  No one  needs  to
discredit Cooper, he has discredited himself.  Those groups  that
want  to  march to Washington to get amnesty for  secret  project
participants who want to speak out, had better not go there  with
Cooper.  Anyone that can access the classified library (and there
are  thousands  nationwide),  knows that many of  the  dates  and
events  Cooper speaks about are inaccurate.  And the  events  and
dates that are accurate have generally been stated on the  record
by  others BEFORE Cooper is on the record as having stated  them.
Anyway,  he'd  get  laughed  out  of  Washington.   This   Cooper
controversy  appears  to pretty much be a regional issue  in  the
West  and Southwest U.S., thanks to the Billy Goodman  show,  and
now Cooper has turned on him, too.  Authors and researchers  from
all over the world have come to Las Vegas and met Bob Lazar.  The
one  common denominator that links all of them is that  they  all
know of at least one instance in which they don't believe Cooper,
either.   This  list  of people includes, but  is  certainly  not
limited  to,  Timothy Goode, Linda Howe, Jacques'  Vallee',  Budd
Hopkins,  Bill Moore, etc.  Incidentally, Bob Lazar chose not  to
meet  with Bill Moore.  Within the first 15 minutes George  Knapp
and  I talked to Moore, Moore admitted not only lying and  giving
out  disinformation,  he also said that he was the  one  who  had
stolen the missing "metal" from the Billy Meier's  investigators.
He  said he had it analyzed and it could have been made  here  on
Earth.  Since he was a self professed liar and thief,  Bob  Lazar
declined  to  meet him.  We still wonder why he  didn't  let  the
stolen  Meier's metal resurface if it was a fake.  Maybe he  lied
about  that,  too.   Anyway,  it's  a  shame,  because  he's   an
intelligent man and he could be a positive force.
     Cooper's claims about Project Excalibur and O.H. Krill  will
be  covered  in an upcoming issue of UFO Magazine so I  won't  go
into that here.
     I have seen polaroid pictures of Falcon and Condor from  the
set of the Fox Television Network a couple of years ago.  I don't
know  if  their  segments  were taped  or  live,  however,  these
pictures were taken by two guys who had access to the set.  I did
not recognize either of the gentlemen, but neither was John Lear.
If  someone  wanted to investigate whether or not  John  Lear  is
Condor, I suggest that someone find out from the producers of the
show  when Falcon and Condor did their segments.  At  that  time,
John Lear was flying for American Trans Air as an L-1011  captain
on  flights to Hawaii, Germany, etc.  The flight logs  should  at
least  be able to narrow down whether Lear was in the air or  for
that  matter even in this country at the time Falcon  and  Condor
were present.  Although I personally find it hard to believe that
anyone  would care enough one way or another to go  through  that
much  trouble.   Since  George  Knapp's  May  1990  special  news
segments,   Cooper  has  been  recorded  on  audio  tape   in   a
conversation  with  a Las Vegas resident as saying that  he's  so
pissed that Lear exposed him as lying about the O.H. Krill papers
that if Lear were in front of him right then, he'd "Shoot the son
of  a bitch."  Yet through all of Cooper's attacks on Lear,  Lear
still  insists  that  Cooper had an  original  contribution.   If
that's  true,  it's  unfortunate because it  has  now  been  lost
because of Cooper's subsequent actions.  This is a waste  because
even  though  Cooper is an amateurish writer (as am I), he  is  a
semi-adequate public speaker who arouses people.  If people  will
take  Cooper's advice and read and investigator  for  themselves,
I'm sure they'll make their own decisions on Cooper soon enough.
     George  Knapp  was not AFRAID to call Cooper  prior  to  his
special.   Knapp  had  previously  interviewed  Cooper  and   had
apparently heard enough back then.  Cooper got his rightful share
of  time in both of Knapp's specials.  George Knapp's  career  is
not  in  danger.   Knapp knows more about  Lazar  than  does  the
general public, which includes Cooper.  Knapp is just required to
establish  Lazar's  credentials before moving on to some  of  the
more  exciting  subjects Bob Lazar has commented  on.   Hopefully
Knapp  will  make  his May 1990 news segments  into  an  expanded
special  so  we  can  possibly hear some  more  testimony  as  to
Cooper's credibility.
     Cooper has publicly stated that he will tell his version  of
the show of force by the gray aliens in central Nevada in 1979 in
his upcoming book.  I hope it's not the same story Bob Lazar  and
I told on the Billy Goodman show in 1989.  I would hate for  that
story to have mysteriously made it from the radio in 1989 all the
way  back to the reports Cooper allegedly read between  1970  and
1973.  After all, this event hadn't even happened yet.  Not  even
Cooper could try that, could he?
     Through all of this I have noticed only one solid connection
with  Cooper and the Nixon Administration and that is  that  both
Milton W. Cooper and Richard M. Nixon both have upper lips  which
perspire profusely when they're lying.
     I guess the most amusing thing that has happened in the last
two years is that know Cooper has suddenly become a tough guy, at
least through his eyes.  He calls everyone else wimps, and liars,
and traitors.  I and many others are of the opinion that if  they
cast  for  the part of WIMPY in the broadway version  of  POPEYE,
Cooper would be a lock for the part.  And if indeed  information,
not money, is the power of the 90's, Cooper will keep "borrowing"
from  everyone  involved, but don't worry, he'll gladly  pay  you
Tuesday.
     When  all of the dust has settled, I don't think  Milton  W.
Cooper's  nickname will any longer be Bill.  I think it could  be
Willie  or  probably even "Uncle Miltie," after all if  the  shoe
fits, right?

Gene Huff


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