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MISC: Lars Hansson is alive!, etc. [11 msgs]
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:10:06 -0800
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LARS HANSSON IS ALIVE!
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 04:20:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Lars Hansson <cyberlars44@hotmail.com>
Subject: There is simply nothing like first-hand evidence
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/people/lazar/
New URL: http://www.pir.org
I first met Bob Lazar in late 1988, BEFORE his (alleged) work at S-4,
and numerous times since (detailed in my 1991 statement, "UFOs, Aliens
& 'Ex'-Intelligence Agents"). Is/was Bob telling the truth? It's a
damn shame this debate still rages, considering all the benefits that
could have issued from his claimed experience in a mutually
cooperative atmosphere.
[Hansson, whose best known work is a lurid (and mostly unfair) expose
of John Lear, was rumored recently to have died. I guess this proves
he has risen again -- GC]
Index: Lars Hansson
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CORSO SKEPTICISM
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:51:26 -0600
From: lljordan@esu3.esu3.k12.ne.us
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Corso, Werner Von Braun,John Von Neumann !?!?
Check with G. Harry Stein who worked directly with Dr. Werner Von
Braun At NASA, he can tell you if Corso slipped up regarding the
mention of John Von Neumann,pg.106 & 116- who had died several years
before Corso claimed he'd considered his name !
[Regarding Corso's claim that laser technology came from the
aliens...]
Dr. Bart Jordan met with Albert Einstein at Princeton in 1952 when
Bart was 9 years old. In the years following he developed the first
red laser beam at Princeton before many members of the DOD. Dr. Bart
Jordan is still alive and I've talked with him personally several
years ago about certain matters ongoing within NASA. Never once was
Corso's name ever mentioned but then again who would if they were
getting a free patent from Uncle Sam ! Jordan's research was totally
legitimate and not a product of an "UnFunded Opportunity".
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TTR FLIGHTS
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:59:47 -0800
To: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
From: [withheld by request]
Subject: Re: AREA 51: Notes on Tonopah Test Range [4 msgs]
>The personnel at Tonopah fly in in the morning from Las Vegas
>and home in the evening (just as at 51).
I had the impression that people stayed out there for a week at a time
-- has this changed in the past few years?
[Yes, today the majority of workers at both A51 and TTR commute in and
out on the same day, five days a week, with ALL the holidays. It
wasn't always so (according to a former worker). When TTR was at its
peak, flights were "rationed". You only got so many per month, but
that didn't mean you couldn't drive home if you wanted (at least 3-1/2
hours via Rachel.) -- GC]
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TEST & EVALUATION SUPPORT
From: PaulMcG@aol.com
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
To: [multiple]
Subject: Re: Who Runs Area 51
The following is based on my budget research....
Program Element 0605807F -- Test and Evaluation Support - includes 101
million dollars for testing (equipment?) of the EW, B-1B, B-2, and
"classified programs" by AFFTC. Another part, Aircraft Support,
Project 6606AS is described as: "This program supports 128 RDT&E
aircraft of 18 different types. These include a multitude of
configurations, with many prototype, preproduction, and extensively
modified/instrumented one-of-a-kind aircraft." There is even a cryptic
mention that "AFFTC also operates the Utah Test and Training Range
(UTTR) in Northwest Utah which will be transferred to ACC in FY 97. "
I recall that being part of the Groom Lake cover (a number of the
JANET aircraft are registered to Hill AFB, Utah). Does that mean that
Groom is being transferred to Air Combat Command?
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ON THE CIA REPORT
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 12:06:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: BaDge <baj7d@avery.med.virginia.edu>
Subject: Re: AREA 51: CIA actively debunked "UFO" spy plane sightings [news]
Regarding this 'admission' from the CIA, I'd like to know WHICH ONES
were the sightings that were not "ice crystals", but were actually spy
planes.
This is bunk, and is just an attempt to shut everyone up, IMO.
Of course I agree, many daylight discs, and night time lights were our
own planes, and I personally have no interest in little tiny flying
dots, far, far away, but let's get some specifics from the CIA, not
just a whitewash.
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SR-71 FLYING FROM EAST COAST?
From: [withheld]@aol.com
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 02:25:15 -0400 (EDT)
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: Something Intriguing ...
I recently found out something that you may be interested to know
about concerning the SR-71 "Blackbird" spy plane and perhaps,
indirectly, Project auroura.
I work for a Oxfordshire based computer company, which owned an run by
the person who used to be responsible for the one of the Local USAF
bases (Now Closed). Through him, I have met a lot of Ex-US army and
USAF personnel many who have been involved in classified incidents.
Nothing sinister you understand , just mostly concerning wheels
falling off F-111's and taking out a barn full of cows and low-level
flying at under 50ft over populated areas, all things that Uncle Sam's
public relations department would prefer not to have to answer
difficult questions about.
Anyway, back the juice. I was chatting to him about a fortnight ago
about UFO's and secrect government projects when he mentioned that
although the SR-71 is now officaly no longer used by the USAF, they
are still flying regular missions from bases on the East Coast of the
USA. The reason that he knows this is that they use bases in
Oxfordshire as re-fueling stations, and one in fact landed at RAF
Croughton in mid June. The fact that the SR-71 is still fly to some
extent reduces the proof that Aurora exists, but I do know that the
SR-71 isn't the only secret black plane flying over England ..
[I queried him about what that other secret plane might be but got
no response. -- GC]
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SOUNDLESS C-130s
[From the skywatch mailing list, via skygypsy@vegasnet.net]
From: ncbuckallew@cp-tel.net (Norm Buckallew)
To: "skywatch" <skywatch@wic.net>
Subject: soundless C 131's
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:10:59 -0500
Dear Col....
A friend that lives in northern Nevada reported to me this evening that
a couple of days ago he and several others watch at least (20) military
C 131 cargo planes flying very low over their heads, apparently heading
for the Nevada test range.
He stated they were so low the fellows standing in the open cargo doors
were waving to them as they went over, the strange thing was there was
no engine noise what so ever. They appeared to been about 200 feet up
and were flying at no more than fifty miles an hour, all heading into
the small pass that goes toward the test site. He also stated another
air plane bearing the presidental seal on the side was also seen in the
same vacinity.
Just a note that might be interesting.
Thanks C.B.
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HOW DO WE GET AWAY WITH IT?
In private email, someone wrote:
>How is it possible for you to have legally been able to fly over Groom
>Lake, take pictures, and have them released without having the Film
>retracted by the government, or being severely punished for such
>actions???
No one has flown over Groom Lake, only near it about twenty miles
away, where the airspace is less restricted.
In recent memory, the government has never tried to retract pictures
that have already been taken or punish anyone who has taken them.
I has only tried to seize film near the border (via the dumb-ass
Lincoln County Sheriff's Dept.). -- GC
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PLEASE, PLEASE TELL
Subj: please
Date: 97-08-06 03:18:55 EDT
From: [withheld]@aol.com
To: Area51RC
please tell me what skills do you need to work at area 51 and and did
you used to work there???????? what do you need to do to try to put
in an aplacation to work there???????because you cant just walk up to
area 51 and say i wanna work there because they will use snippers and
pluck you down well thanx for you time my email edress is
[withheld]@aol.com so please but the main thing is how do you get to
work in area 51 and how can you put in an aplacation so please answer
me as soon as you can thanx travis
[To work at Area 51, you need to be a "team player" and have a blind
respect for authority. (Bad spelling, however, is not barrier to
employment.) You must not mind working in oppressive, bureaucratic
environments where most creativity is suppressed in favor of security.
You need to be prepared to give up much of you privacy and many of
your rights to obtain a security clearance. You should have no
ambitions but to earn a paycheck. Any interest in "self-fulfillment"
or "job satisfaction" will only get in the way of your work here.
Strong religious beliefs are a plus, because any personal rewards you
get are probably going to be in the next life, not this one. --GC]
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HOW TO HIDE A SPY PLANE? TELL ALL THE ANORAKS!
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 21:24:23 +0100
From: Mike Glassar <CMSMGLAS@livjm.ac.uk>
Subject: just for the fun of it.
To: conspiracy <webmaster@ufomind.com>
What is the best way to hide a spy plane. Let somebody spot one, circulate
rumors of other life forms. Let the rumor gather momentum show only the
most anoraked of believers on Television to discredit the belief.
POO your self when you realize that your rumor is remotely feasible or
true. Admit to rumor mention spy planes show more anoraks and hope the
world population is to pre-occupied or stupid to notice anyway.
[I looked up "anorak" in the dictionary. Is the the Greenland Eskimo
word for "parka."
"Poo yourself stupid!" I say (and with full comprehension). -- GC]
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ONE CONSPIRACY WE HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH ABOUT LATELY
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 97 12:03:54 -0700
From: Hollis Phillips <hpluce@worldnet.att.net>
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Area 51
WE HAVE TO HAVE A SECRET BASE SOMEWHERE OTHERWISE THE JEWS WILL STEAL
OUR SECRETS JUST AS THEY HAVE DONE SINCE THE END OF WW2 START WITH
ROSENBERGS GREEN COLPIN POLLARD AMES ETC ETC...THERE SOB'S WERE WELL OFF
PEOPLE AND SOLD OUR SECRETS TO THE RUSSIANS...IN MY WAY OF THINKING THEY
SHOULD ALL HAVE BEEN EXECUTED..YOU CANT TRUST THE BASTARDS...FACT OF THE
MATTER IS, THE JEWS ARE STILL TRYING TO BU
Y POLLARD....IT WOULDN'T SUPRISE ME IF KLINTOON SOLD HIM TO THE JEWS..SO
THIS IS WHY WE NEED A SECRET PLACE ....i DARE YIOU TO PRINT THIS IF IT
IS NOT PRINTED ..I WILL HAVE TO ASSUME YOU ARE CONTROLED BY THE ADL!!!!
[I printed it, so there's the proof: I am not controlled by the Anorak
Defense League! -GC]
Created: Aug 8, 1997
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