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Misc: Stealth, Powers, Plates, etc. [16 msgs]
From: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:37:42 -0800
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STEALTH TIDBIT
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 09:15:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Steath tidbit
From: BaDge <baj7d@avery.med.virginia.edu>
Just heard an amusing story about the NightHawk on the tube...
Seems like they found numerous dead bats near the plane some mornings.
Apparently the bats, looking for insects, failed to radar-detect the tail
fins of the Stealth fighter and collided with them. (Discovery Chan).
Um, not amusing for the poor bats, mind you...
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TOXIC WASTE IN CRASH
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:43:34 -0700 (MST)
From: insane@aztec.asu.edu (STEVE HAUSER)
Subject: F-117 crash
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Hey, Glenn. Just wondering if you are aware of what the 117 pilot
is reported to have said after ejecting. I heard a report
(only once) on either CBS or CNN radio that after inquiring as to
the status of the occupants of the homes into which the plane
crashed, the pilot said something to the effect that "you have
to get them away from the smoke... it's toxic". Wonder if
Jonathan Turley is aware or if it's of use to his case on
behalf of the affected workers at Groom Lake.
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UFOS/AREA 51 IN LONDON MAIL
From: [withheld]
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:14:38 -0400 (EDT)
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: London Mail on Sunday article
Just to let you know that you have a good write-up in the Night and
Day magazine section of the Mail on Sunday newspaper of Sept.
21st.
The article also mentions Stanton Friedman, Robert Wood, Maj-Gen.
Albert Stubblebine, David Whipple, John Pike, and various British
figures involved in the UFO scene. It is balanced and presents the
whole phenomenon as a genuine mystery.
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AREA 51 PROGRAM ON DISCOVERY CHANNEL NOV 2
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:03:38 -0800
Subject: Re: Area 51 Documentary on Discovery Channel
From: Ralph McCarron <wolfvid@wgn.net>
I just recently finished working with Termite Art Productions on the
new documentary that will air on the Discovery Channel on November 2,
1997.
It will be called simply "Area 51".
They purchased alot of stock footage from my personal collection that
will air in the feature.
Also on the same night there is a documentary airing on the "Phoenix
Lights".
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POWERS BOOK
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/sep/a07-001.shtml
Responding to earlier request for the name of Gary Powers book, several
readers replied...
Operation Overflight: The U-2 Spy Pilot Tells His Story for the First Time
Francis Gary Powers with Curt Gentry
Holt, Rinehart and Winston - 1970 (376 pages-hardbound, ISBN 03-083045-1)
Gary Powers version of the shootdown on May 1 1960, and what
happened after his capture. Good book, sadly out of print.
Francis Gary Powers and Curt Gentry, Holt Rinehart and Winston, 1970
ISBN 03-083045-1
See: http://www.thepoint/~jstone/blackbird.html
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MILITARY LICENSE PLATES
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:07:41 -0600
To: campbell@ufomind.com (Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas)
From: [Withheld by request]
Subject: Re: AREA 51: Misc: U-2, Nellis Overflights, Fake Streiber,
Glenn, being in the Air Force occasionally has advantages. I
recognize 93B... as a vehicle the Air Force owns and was procured in
1993. The "B" indicates some sort of series (I'm not too familiar
with that), and as the letters progress, the equipment sometimes gets
more exotic. Cars & trucks are (in my experience) usually "B"
vehicles. Something like "L" might indicate road machinery or
similar.
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AIR FORCE SEISMIC SERVICES
From: Blskywtwtr@aol.com
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:41:00 -0400 (EDT)
To: webmaster@ufomind.com
Subject: Air force "seismic" services
On the southeast edge of Pinedale,Wyoming, I noticed a tiny fenced
yard containing a steel garage building, a couple of non descript
vehicles in military colors, and a SnoCat set up for personnel
transport. The sign on the fence innocently announced that this was a
facility of such and such detachment of the Air Force Seismic Research
division. Go figure.
After not much consideration, I can say with conviction that Michael
AAF and adjacent Dugway Proving Ground make a much better substitute
for Area 51 than anything around Green River. The perimeter fence at
Dugway is very well patrolled; folks who have motorcycled through
broken sections of fence into the facility are greeted within minutes
by area security personnel, suggesting the presence of intrusion
detection devices. Any suggestion that the old Green River missile
testing facility is ready to take up slack from Area 51 would have to
be a shill.
Any excuse to explore the desert is valid.
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AIN'T NOTHIN' AT FALLON
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 16:50:32 -0700 [old]
From: [withheld - active duty military]
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: just saying hi
X-URL: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/desert_rat/1996/dr37/esmond.shtml
I have recently returned from a fun-filled month at NAS Fallon, NV.
To dispell some of the rumors that I have read before, there ain't
nuthin' there. It's not anything secret, just the Naval Strike and
Air Warfare Center, Top Gun, Top Dome and a whole lot of dust.
Oh yeah, one more thing, Papoose lies partly in the northern end of
the "60" series ranges up there...that area is a normal bombing range
north of Dog Bone Lake...I flew over it not too long ago.
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ALIEN BURGER WARNING
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 18:05:01 -0700 [old]
From: david.seberger@Eng.Sun.COM (David Seberger)
To: campbell@ufomind.com
Subject: Trip to Rachel
Went to Rachel and Dry Lake bed last weekend. Lots of fun. We were a
small group (4) of guys, the "Manly Man and Spam Club". We drove over
from Sacramento, had dinner at the Little A'Le'Inn. You really need to
warn people about the Alien Burger. It was the worst burger we've seen
in years. Pork Chops with potatoes were great. After dinner we drove
out to the dry lake bed [near Rachel] and set up (Motorhome, sleeping
bags on the ground, shade tarps). The nights were really nice and we
spent the day target shooting. I don't think the locals ever realized
we were there. Staying out on the dry lake bed is very interesting
from the stand point of quiet, view of stars, glow from direction of
the none existing base. I highly recommend it. "Area 51 Viewers Guide"
was invaluable for finding our way around and in particular onto the
lake bed and back off, when the gas station opened, when the
restaurant closed. Very nice job, thank you for the great work on it.
All in all it was a great trip. I want to do it again and stay longer.
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A 'LE' INN & CHUCK CLARK
Subj: In Complete Agreement about A le Inn
Date: 96-10-13 20:34:39 EDT [old]
From: PingTime@aol.com
After having spent (wasted) time in the Inn with Chuck Clark and
observing the local mental midgets my wife and I can only agree that
your assesment of the Inn is correct. We have been researching the
UFO phenomena for approximately 5 years and have sifted through
mountains of "trash" to get a nugget of credible information.
In our opinion the caliber of people such as those at the A Le Inn are
contributing only the "trash" and confusion that obscures real study.
We have traveled to sites to see first hand the objects that are
reported and have spoken with a large number of experiencers some well
known most little known and have reached the conclusion that most
stories are just that...stories. We do believe that there is enough
credible evidence to study what this phenomena is but conclusions
about space brothers and one world governments have no place in a
serious effort.
Don't lose heart in your efforts as there are some responsible
researchers who share your views.
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TOO MANY ENEMIES TO TRACK
[Regarding Mike Smith, a previous Campbell "flameur" prior to
"Martha Spader".]
Subj: Smitty
Date: 97-08-22 01:12:26 EDT
From: EWeida
To: PsychoSpy
Glenn, You fibbed when you said that you did not know who smitty was.
He is that heavy set guy from Kansas. I know you two hiked freedom
ridge together because I saw pictures. He spent some time living in
the ale'le inn and all that crap. I was hanging out with him a few
years back when we ran into the cammo dudette. I must say that I
thought he was a nice guy when I met him, but I have cross-referenced
his e-mail with my records and he is indeed the same smitty. Has
anything I have said brought back your memory?
[I've had contact with thousands of visitors in Rachel, and this
description doesn't help. Perhaps if I saw him I would remember
him. -- GC]
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THE OTHER MIKE SMITH
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:26:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Mike Smith <mickey@anix340.dev.anix.co.uk>
Subject: Re: AREA 51: Misc: U-2, Nellis Overflights, Fake Streiber
It appears that I have a namesake. An unpleasant namesake, who has in
recent history launched abuse at many in the UFO/Black
Projects/Conspiracy arena. I would like to distance myself from this
person, who by an accident of birth, seems to have the same name as
me.
The reason for my sudden response, is a number of unsolicited mail
messages that I've suddenly recieved.
I am not and never have been abusive to anyone on this list or the
many others to which I subscribe.
Mike Smith
(The polite, quiet and tidy one)
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EARLY TOUR TO AREA 51 BORDER
Re: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/sep/a11-002.shtml
And: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/sep/a12-002.shtml
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:16:10 -0700
From: Jabali@prodigy.net
To: "Glenn Campbell, Las Vegas" <campbell@ufomind.com>
Subject: Re: October 1988 "Lost Time"
> Do you recall the names of anyone involved, or any information at
> all on the group you were with?
>
> Do you remember any of your contacts in Aneheim? (Perhaps if
> you just described them, I would know who they are.)
Ok...names...no, but i do recall that the transportation was provided
by Hotdog Tours. The station was AM 1190 Adventure Radio...i cannot
recall the host's name, it was many years ago. Odd though, now that i
think of it, i have NO contacts with anyone involved in that trip. They
all just kind of ... faded away.
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CHUBBY DUDE
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/org/security/gallery.shtml
From: mardeep <V.Salyer@gcnet.com>
The cubby dude may be a rank of seargeant first class or above. He is
over the prescribed weight limit of any armed forces. This puts him in
a higher source of command. A decision maker if you will. All these
personel have high clearence, there would have to be background checks
performed through F.B.I. and other agency channels. As well as any
sheriff who enters the land. How many of them are former military
security personel? Any former military personel are required to
submitt their discharge papers to the county the reside in as a matter
of public record. In other words harass the hell out of them black
project basterds!!!
[I was unaware of this county reporting requirement. I emailed the
above author for more info, but there was no reply. --GC]
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CAMPBELL RESEARCH GROWS
[From UFO Sky Searchers International mailing list, via
Ndunlks@aol.com]
From: Geehart
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:52:28 -0400 (EDT)
To: deeaob@admin.itol.com, WENJAM@aol.com
Subject: Re: AREA 51: Popular Mechanics takes a shot at Campbell
My support is for Glenn Campbell. Having read several of his extremely
well researched books, I would have to say that most other critics
have never seen them and have no idea what good research really is. I
don't mind paying for the quality of work he has produced. His
research material, in my mind, only raises criticism of not only for
the valuelessly speculative Popular Mechanics article but most of the
output of the majority of other non-technical researchers. Read Area
51 Viewers Guide to see how research is really done. --Gary Hart
[Apparently, this fellow has read more of my books than I have written.
The Viewer's Guide is my only book. --GC]
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YET ANOTHER MOVE
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:54:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: chris larkey
Subject: NEW TECHNOLOGY, HOW?
Commenting on: http://www.ufomind.com/area51/comment/
HOW DID THE GOVERNMENT GET SO TECNOLOGICALLY ADVANCED, WHERE DID WE
GET THE IDEAS FOR COMPUTER CHIPS, STEALTH CRAFT, LASERS, AND NEW
WEAPONS SUCH AS THE GUNS THAT USE MICRO-WAVES TO RENDER ONE HARMLESS
(NEWSWEEK, JULY OR AUG. 1997) WHY DOESN'T REPORTERS ASK THE PRESIDENT
OR THE CIA ABOUT AREA 51? THE NEW TECHNOLOGY HAS TO BE FRON A UFO AND
THE INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM IT. i MAY BE WRONG BUT I FEEL THERE IS
A MASS COVERUP GOING ON AND WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE TRUTH. i ALSO HEAR
AREA 51 IS MOVING TO A NEW SECRET LOCATION IN COLORADO.
Created: Sep 30, 1997
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