Important Evidence Concerning San Augustin Crash
From: Stig_Agermose@online.pol.dk (Stig Agermose)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 1997 05:36:46 -0800
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Mark Cashman is quite sure that every stone has been turned concerning
the Roswell incident (UFO UpDate: Re: Kal Korff - What Really Happened,
August 13), but that is by far the case as this unheeded, yet revealing
testimony from Paul Harden shows. Harden had worked on the VLA (Very
Large Array) radio telescope (the world's largest) near Socorro, New
Mexico, for 18 years when he wrote the e-mail back in 1995.
It concerns the second crash site on the plains of San Agustin and
southwest of Socorro, New Mexico. As many readers will know, Stan
Friedman has been the main proponent of this other crash connected to
the first one near Roswell (e. g. Friedman, Berliner: Crash At Corona,
Marlowe & Company, New York, 1997, p. 88ff.), but has won few followers
mostly due to the collapse of the credibility of one of his main
witnesses, Gerald Anderson. The verdict seems rather harsh and unfair,
however, if you take an unbiased look at the documents of the case, and
Harden's testimony supports that conclusion.
Friedman mentions one of Harden's witnesses, Martin Ake, in "Crash At
Corona" p. 88: "An old time rancher on the Plains, the late Marvin Ake,
told Stanton Friedman that he had heard of a crashed saucer story "out
on the Plains."
But concerning Harden's first-hand witnesses, neither the Brutons'
direct involvement with the crash, nor the radar witnesses, nor the two
students who "now work at the New Mexico Tech campus as professors" are
mentioned in Friedman's and Berliner's book.
I have attached a couple of files to certify Harden's identity and
throw some light on his character. They are all about his favourite
hobby, QRP. One concerns a very popular book he wrote on the building
of a receiver, the second is a newsletter from SARA, the Socorro
Amateur Radio Association, mentioning him, the third is an article he
wrote for NORCAL, the Northern California QRP Club, about the second
West Coast QRP Symposium.
For those of you who don't know what QRP is I can give this short
definition, found on the site of NWQRP, the NorthWest QRP Club:
http://www.scn.org/IP/nwqrp/qrp.html
"QRP is a "Q-signal". These abbreviations were created in the early
days of amateur radio. QRP originally meant "Please reduce your power,"
but has gained the more specific definition of "radio communication
using 5 watts output or less" in recent years.
Amateur radio operators have a long tradition of cooperation with
federal and local authorities to provide emergency communications, new
technological developments, and community education for the world.
QRPers specialize in the advancement of the art of low power operating,
including the development of energy-conserving equipment and portable
antenna systems. Every day, we talk to the world with only a few watts."
I found Paul Harden's e-mail on the site of VJ Enterprises, more
specifically at
http://www.execpc.com/vjentpr/roswcras.html
I want to emphasize, though, that nothing connects him to this
organization at all. VJ Enterprises mention neither him nor where the
e-mail was found, but I have appended the objects clause of their
homepage at:
http://www.execpc.com/vjentpr/index.html
Last, but not least, a search on HotBot's engine showed that Harden's
e-mail address has changed from
pharden@newshost.aoc.nrao.edu
to
pharden@aoc.nrao.edu
but the other one might still work.
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Second New Mexico Crash
By Paul Harden - to G. Cotsonas
George P. Cotsonas Internet email:
geopi@hocpa.att.com
Wireless Terminals Laboratory Telephone: (908) 834-1046
From: pharden@newshost.aoc.nrao.edu (Paul Harden)
Subject: Re: Second NM Crash Info
Date: 20 Apr 1995 16:14:43 -0600
From: fmm1@cornell.edu (Fred Muratori)
In article , din23@aol.com (DIN23) wrote:
(snip)
>> interference. Anyway the second crash happened in an area
>>west of Socorro, New Mexico, known as the Plains of San
>>Agustin, where witnesses discovered not only a damaged
>>metallic "aircraft" resting on the flat desert ground, but also dead
>>bodies. The first witness on the scene was Grady L. "Barney"
>>Barnett, a civil engineer with the U.S. Soil Conservation Service
>>who was on a military assignment at the time.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
N O T
>From: fmm1@cornell.edu (Fred Muratori) wrote:
>Take a look at _The truth about the UFO crash at Roswell_ by >Kevin D.
Randle and Don Schmitt (Evans, 1994), which devotes a >chapter
>to this case. Randle investigated the San Agustin scenario pretty
>thoroughly and found many, many inconsistencies and no
>corroborating witnesses.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
N O T N O T
The VLA observatory now sits on the Plains of San Agustin amongst
several ranches. I have worked there 18 years and have been shown the
spot where the craft supposedly crashed by two different ranchers. The
site itself is on the Bruton Ranch near the VLA's south-west arm. I am
not aware of any involvement by Barnett with the military ... he and
some students were several miles south of the crash site excavating the
newly found "Bat Cave" for folsom period Indian artifacts. A couple of
those students now work at the New Mexico Tech campus as professors,
one at the Bureau of Mines. Barnett and his students were unable to
find the crash site as it was after sunset when this occured and
getting dark. However, it was heard by the Brutons and they went and
investigated and found the crash site. To this day, they insist there
were no bodies, only a heap of twisted metal. He did not know what it
was, but felt it was a "piece of an airplane."
The next morning the Army arrived at the Bruton Ranch with several
trucks. The Brutons were escorted from their ranch and placed in a
motel room in Socorro for several days with little explanation. They
willing submitted as WW-II had only been over for a short while and
assisting "the war effort" was a common attitude. It was mid-morning
when Barnett and his students found the crash scene -- being cleaned up
by the military. To his dying day (only a few years ago), he
consistently refused to comment on what he had seen. Another nearby
rancher, Marvin Ake, also saw the military on the Bruton Ranch removing
two truck loads of debris. Jack Bruton, Jr. was 5 yrs old and remembers
his stay in the Socorro motel because it was the first time he had been
taken to a movie and went swimming at the motel pool. (The motel was
moved in 1960's when they built the interstate; it was owned by the
Hefners who moved several of the motel units behind their house, where
they still stand. The original owners still have the desk register
which I have seen). The El Camino Restaurant now stands at this motel
site.
Several miles to the north of the Bruton Ranch WAS a small radar
tracking site for far-field tracking of missiles from White Sands. When
all of this happened, an impressive thunderstorm was brewing. A couple
of soldiers manning the radar facility were sitting outside the radar
trailer watching the lightning and saw the "object" fall from the sky
and land behind the Bruton Ranch. This is how the Army was so quickly
informed. I worked with a guy (now retired) who was manning another
remote radar site and he recounted several times the radio
communications that took place as these soldiers described what they
saw. There are still two men working at the observatory who used to be
radar techs at White Sands. This story is well known and oft repeated
by those who work at the Stallion Range at White Sands.
(BTW, the location of this portable radar station is just north of U.S.
60 about 6 miles east of the VLA turnoff. There is a big gravel pit
used by the Hiway Department there now. Ask any of the old timers
around here about it. No big deal, everybody knew about it ... it was
right on the highway for everyone to see!)
It is an intriguing story to me and personally I am confused as to
whether or not it was related to the Corona Crash (Roswell crash for
you out-of-staters). Or, whether in fact a UFO. But the above
information is fairly well known around here, some of it documented,
and many living witnesses. The story is also remarkably consistent,
regardless of who you talk to. Therefore, the statement that there has
NEVER been any corroborating witnesses is totally false. Or that there
are many, many inconsistencies. I have provided names and places herein
for you to verify or dispute on your own. Also, unlike many of you, I
am NOT using an annonymous mailer. Did these Randle and Schmidt guys
even so much as bother to have a cup of coffee in Socorro and ask
anyone about this? Or just wanna write a UFO book to sell to suckers?
I can tell you more. But what I can't tell you is whether or not it was
a UFO that the Army removed from the Bruton Ranch in 1947.
Paul
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Stig
Index: UFO Crash on Plain of San Augustin
Created: Aug 14, 1997
